the watchtower society dates noah's flood to 2370 b.c.e.
they do this by following bible chronology quite closely, counting backwards from 607 b.c.e., their date for babylon's destruction of jerusalem.
however, as we know, the society's date for that event is in error.
aC,
How do you understand the 2nd day of creation in Gen.1:6 where God caused a dividing of the waters in the heavens and on earth?
And
On the 1st day caused light to come to be, and on the 4th day caused the Sun and Moon to apear.
If someone lived a trillion X longer than you, and had a billion X more reasoning ability would he come to the same conclusions as you?
can a person get salavtion if he never reads the bible?.
can person just except christ but have nothing to do with the bible and get salvation?.
if someone lived a trillion x longer than you, and had a billion x more reasoning ability would he come to the same conclusions as you?.
Clash,
Don't cast aspersions on people who don't agree with you.
Because, for one they may be closer to the truth than you, and so they will be able accept what you say if you are right in a point.
Unless directly inspired of God, we may not be right in every point we try to make.
I think we can learn alot from discussion like this, if we take time to think about what others are saying.
And don't it say that God favor and undeserved kindness is with the Humble ones. We get no credits from God for winning an argument.
In my estimation discussions like this provide plenty of food for thought, right or wrong, to ponder on these things when the ego is left out produces a good out come.
I do like to see things from a different angle that's why I ask these questions.
When you don't have to be right all the time takes off alot of pressure to think with an open mind.
If someone lived a trillion X longer than you, and had a billion X more reasoning ability would he come to the same conclusions as you?
can a person get salavtion if he never reads the bible?.
can person just except christ but have nothing to do with the bible and get salvation?.
if someone lived a trillion x longer than you, and had a billion x more reasoning ability would he come to the same conclusions as you?.
Angie,
I will try to remember to not call you by your handle.
Do you feel the Gift of the Spirit such as tongues, prophecying, healing, knowledge, and other gifts are still operating through christian today.
The purpose of my starting this thread is to see what response my questions would bring, and to explore the idea of how correct we need to be to get salvation.
I feel it is important to read the Bible, but to have wrong ideas is to be expected, for who is it that can proclaim, his version of understanding of the Bible the right one.
Unless God himself tell us personally.
If someone lived a trillion X longer than you, and had a billion X more reasoning ability would he come to the same conclusions as you?
can a person get salavtion if he never reads the bible?.
can person just except christ but have nothing to do with the bible and get salvation?.
if someone lived a trillion x longer than you, and had a billion x more reasoning ability would he come to the same conclusions as you?.
Clash,
Do you feel a person can be inspired(Holy Spirit) today, and speak the word of God that directs one to put faith in Jesus?
Or that all inspired expressions ended in the 1st century?
If someone lived a trillion X longer than you, and had a billion X more reasoning ability would he come to the same conclusions as you?
let me explain.. firstly i have seen any number of so-called attempted suicides.
i've walked past an old girl friends house, seen her watching tv through the window, by the time i'm knocking on the door she's told me that she had her head in the gas oven and my knock stopped her.. my mother in law walks into the sea for a pastime.
every time she can't get her own way she walks in up to her knees and waits for someone to see her.
Just reading all these posts on this thread I think is very good.
Many express their feeling this is good.
Some are very honest to the point that they may get some negative feed back, this is also good, we learn this way when people are trying to be honest.
I think Eman did us all a favor by starting this thread and being honest, he got the ball rolling.
If someone lived a trillion X longer than you, and had a billion X more reasoning ability would he come to the same conclusions as you?
can a person get salavtion if he never reads the bible?.
can person just except christ but have nothing to do with the bible and get salvation?.
if someone lived a trillion x longer than you, and had a billion x more reasoning ability would he come to the same conclusions as you?.
Clash,
I have an 8 different translation NT bible.
re: Romans10:17
It says nothing about Bible but faith come the word preached about Christ.
I believe that reading the Bible is good, and important, I do it a lot.
I just feel we as christians to easily forget Jesus admonition to not Judge one another.
We don't have to get everything right to be saved, but men who seek to promote their ideas use this to enslave other christian, we don't need men or their organizations to be saved only Faith.
If someone lived a trillion X longer than you, and had a billion X more reasoning ability would he come to the same conclusions as you?
let me explain.. firstly i have seen any number of so-called attempted suicides.
i've walked past an old girl friends house, seen her watching tv through the window, by the time i'm knocking on the door she's told me that she had her head in the gas oven and my knock stopped her.. my mother in law walks into the sea for a pastime.
every time she can't get her own way she walks in up to her knees and waits for someone to see her.
One very nice JW found out his wife was messing around and contemplated suicide, he said nothing to nobody but tried to get all his affairs in order.
The night he killed himself he gave his son his wallet with all his money in it, drove to a secluded spot hooked up a vacum cleaner hose to his exaust shoved the hose in his mouth and died of carbonmonoxide poisioning.
I can only feel he must have been in tremendeous emotional pain.
I do sympathise, but feel it was his choice, he was my friend, a truley sensitive person who felt unbarable pain.
If someone lived a trillion X longer than you, and had a billion X more reasoning ability would he come to the same conclusions as you?
can a person get salavtion if he never reads the bible?.
can person just except christ but have nothing to do with the bible and get salvation?.
if someone lived a trillion x longer than you, and had a billion x more reasoning ability would he come to the same conclusions as you?.
Adonai438,
you said:
I'm not going to argue about WHAT the truth is but as a Christian who has studied the evidence extensively I can say you are saved by grace through faith alone in Jesus. The true Jesus- not the Watchtowers.I concider JW's christians if they have faith in Jesus I try not to jugde them. I feel they are christians that have come under the evil influence of men, but christians none the less. It's just that it is very hard and unnessasarry for them to add all that weight of jumping thru hoops for an organization(WT).
If someone lived a trillion X longer than you, and had a billion X more reasoning ability would he come to the same conclusions as you?
let me explain.. firstly i have seen any number of so-called attempted suicides.
i've walked past an old girl friends house, seen her watching tv through the window, by the time i'm knocking on the door she's told me that she had her head in the gas oven and my knock stopped her.. my mother in law walks into the sea for a pastime.
every time she can't get her own way she walks in up to her knees and waits for someone to see her.
When I was a young person I contemplated suicide but never ever told anybody, the only thing that stopped me was my love for my family and how they would suffer if I did.
I grew out of these suicidal feelings as I grew older, and don't fell that way now(49yrs old).
While I think to scare people is wrong, just to get attention, I don't feel callous remarks by others are helpful either.
I have known people that have committed suicide successfully, and the hurt they have inflicted to the survivors and my heart truley go out to them.
But life has so many ups and downs that one must face, hopefully we find a good outlook that will help us find the good and cope with the bad, to where we find it worth living.
Destoying a persons beleif system, without offering a good alternative can also be very devastating and some thing to concider before we engage our energies to do so.
If someone lived a trillion X longer than you, and had a billion X more reasoning ability would he come to the same conclusions as you?
can a person get salavtion if he never reads the bible?.
can person just except christ but have nothing to do with the bible and get salvation?.
if someone lived a trillion x longer than you, and had a billion x more reasoning ability would he come to the same conclusions as you?.
Clash,
I think we agree on a lot of things, the important things(Faith).
I feel that faith will make one do the rigth things, what ever they may be if one truley has Faith.
But Faith will not make us see the Bible the way some men interpit it.
Faith won't make you get a high score on some Bible quiz will it?
People show their Faith in many different ways, don't they?
Jesus did say "by this all will know that you are my disciples if you have love among yourdelves". Not all beleiving and answering the same, but love seems to be the qualifier for all to know who are Jesus genuine followers.
If someone lived a trillion X longer than you, and had a billion X more reasoning ability would he come to the same conclusions as you?
